is there for peoples who want to share rare recording of Underworld.
we are not only interested in trading, we want this place to be an environment
for peoples to meet other peoples with the same musical interest. we
try to keep this place as friendly as possible, we’re all music
lover (maniac is a better term for most), everyone is welcome to join
and to participate.
rtsr-trade was founded six years ago, the list started
almost as an alternitive to the official underworld dirtylist, where
discussion of trading bootleg live gigs was understandably banned.
been searching the net for some underworld gigs for a long time, had
sourced about five through postal trades aranged with people via newsboards
and discussion boards. the first person i ever traded with was yannick
together we eventually gathered about ten live gigs and about twenty
really rare tracks and shared them all.
after a while the thought occured that there must be other people out
there trying to collect this material too. underworld have been around
since the eighties so there is a whole hoast of varying material available
from various sources. i'd been running an underworld site called "ride
the sainted rhythms" for about a year at that stage with lists
of all the material i'd collected via trades. the site was designed
to help anyone else out there who might also be collecting. it generated
a lot of email from around the world; people who wanted to trade, people
who just found it very hard to find any live recordings of the group.
it seemed like logical progression to gather all these people together,
have everyone in contact. so i started a little mailing list as part
of "ride the sainted rhythms". rtsr-trade was born.
list has changed a lot since it's creation and those first fifteen or
so members. we've collected over sixty seperate live gigs, hundreds
of rare and promo tracks, strange recordings and material nobody ever
knew existed (besides underworld course). but it's not just about trading
was encorperated early in the list's life as another moderator and we
both decided that if the list was to last more than a few months without
being shut down by record companies, we needed to set some important
rules and show that rtsr-trade existed only to collect _rare_ material,
the music you can't buy in the shops, online, or indeed anywhere else.
anybody caught trading readily available underworld material (albums,
singles etc...) would be banned immediately from the list, as would
anyone found making money in any from from trading. thankfully we've
only had to ban a few people in two years, but these rules have kept
us in harmony with jbo, v2, uw, dirty.org, tomato...
are numerous people without whom rtsr would never have become what it
is today, most of them are rtsr-trade members by now. big thanks to
everyone who helped us along the way.
list is open to anyone, not just for trading but for discussion about
anything vaguely trade/uw/tomato related. feel free to join and lurk
or post as you wish.
- Graham Cooke
has been around too long for it to be ruined by bad trading. we are
not here to annoy record companies or to make money, so anything that
is readily available can not be traded on the list. we are here to collect
rare and live underworld, and are quite happy with our reputation as
if you break the rules once you will be cautioned, twice and you will
be banned from rtsr. so far we have only had to ban a few people so
please be nice :)
you can trade/share on the list :
. bootlegs / live gigs (bar "everything, everything")
2 . remixes by karl/rick/darren
3 . remixes of underworld/lemon interrupt by other artists not featured
4 . merchandise (posters etc.)
5 . anything else (within reason) not listed below...
6 . promo that are played and recorded off the radio / tv
7 . fan made remixes
How do I get the Underworld Bootlegs that everyone talks about?
Traditionally, rtsr members TRADE bootlegs with each other by using
either CD-R through 'snail-mail' or file transfer through the internet.
How do I set up a trade?
Just ask by posting a message to the list, and maybe offer a list of
what you have to trade.
But I don't have anything to trade...
You can also download some bootlegs from one of the rtsr FTP sites.
(please ask on the list for information about it)
lloyd from RTSR explains it very nicely:
is very simple. The source (root) copies his cd(s) and is mailing them
to 2 or more branches, those branches copie 2 or more cds and mail them
to other branches or to (a) leave(s). Leaves are people that have no
burner or just the end of the mailing chain because there are not more
people to mail to. After setting up the whole list of who is mailing
who, this looks like a tree :)
couple tiny details:
tree is supposed to do 2 things:
1) Spead out a recording to a large number of people very efficiently
2) Get trading going on between people
you get the show from the person above you, the two of you can work
out a trade for it. Your branch may just give it to you for free, but
the de facto standard is to trade for it. This could be anything from
swapping shows, to blanks, to children, etc. Talk to the person
a bove you in the tree and see what you two agree on!
example -> http://terrarum.net/rtsr/
"bootleg babies" was a project the fan of underworld on the
rtsr-trade mailing list did last year, "We wanted to make a mix
with the best tracks from Underworld bootlegs we had gathered over the
years, a bit like Underworld did with Everything, Everything. It keep
the list busy for a while since all the track where choosen with extensive
polls on the list. The member choose the track that would be included,
from wich source, the name of the cd and the artwork. Geoff mixed the
whole thing so well it's hard to believe this is coming from 7-8 different
bootlegs ranging from various quality. We distributed the cd from fan
to fan around the world I think a good 150 copies where made of it,
so for all you who couldn't get it last year you can now enjoy it. I
hope you will enjoy those files" -Yannick Joubert
these days, we are constantly bombarded with digital information. it
passes through our skin 24hrs a day and we dont even twitch. its amazing
we havn't all gone crazy yet. but there are huge bundles of zeroes and
ones out there that when added together equal something far beyond the
cold calculated technology of our world. that something is the music
of underworld. that something is organic in that it has given birth
to communities with members numbering in the thousands. they are organic
as well. alive. teeming with ideas and action and feeling. and even
though we can't really visualize how big it actually is it all boils
to down to us. sitting in front of our computers. at work at home on
the road dreaming and listening it was during one of those moments that
the idea for this project first came up. me at a desk in a large space
with large windows not streching my legs enough. almost bored to tears
but feeling happy because you were all out there with me and we listened
together. and together we came up with the idea to order those zeroes
and ones our own way to pay homage and to celebrate and to make it all
the more interesting
41 juanita/kiteless/to dream of love, 1996 Munich, Germany
16 rowla, 1999.05.13 Köln, Germany
19 bruce lee, 1999.03.20, Tilburg, Holland
26 kittens, 1999.06.26 Glastonbury, UK
10 dark train, 1999.01.01 London, UK
50 born slippy, 1996 Munich, Germany
49 born slippy .nuxx, 1999.01.01 London, UK
38 outro, 1999.05.13 Köln Germany
25 intro, 1998.11.14 Gent, Belgium
25 mmm... skyscraper, i love you, 1999.01.01 London, UK
15 push upstairs, 1999.01.01 London, UK
32 confusion the waitress, 1996.05.27 Pinkpop Festival, Holland
54 king of snake, 1999.05.13 Köln, Germany
14 jumbo, 1999.03.20 Tilburg, Holland
39 moaner, 1999.03.20 Tilburg, Holland
12 rez/cowgirl, 1996.08.25 Reading Festival, UK
concept: -1, jason.
audio director : geoff.
mixed by: geoff.
audio research : yannick, jason, phil.
art director : scott, yannick
art concept : adam, yannick, mike
artists : yannick, jason, -1, joe t, kameron,
dave, mark, michael, dean, scott, andrew, mike
art selection : the members of rtsr-trade.
website : graham, yannick
distribution : joe t.
ftp and sound storage : chris beck.
tracklisting : the members of rtsr-trade.
general admin : geoff, yannick, -1, graham, scott.
thanks from geoff : alberto moreno, chris beck, philip huntley, rtsr.org,
dirty.org, uw. and everyone who helped in the project.
So here we are, please once you have joined please send a mail to the
list to say hello.
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